(Srila Prabhupada and Dr. Patel in conversation, Juhu Beach, Bombay)
Devotee: Prabhupāda, we are only neophytes. How we can know if our anxiety is still material when we feel anxiety in devotional service?
Prabhupāda: No, no. If you feel anxiety for Kṛṣṇa, then it is not material. That anxiety is not... That is love. That is pure love, that... Why you become anxious for our children? Because there is love. So whole scheme is that you have to transfer your attachment to Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel: All bhakti should be directed to the sacred feet of Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan. This is called bhakti-yoga. Mayy āsakta. The aśakti, the attachment, is for so many things. Now we have to concentrate it on Kṛṣṇa. This is bhakti-yoga. Mayy āsakta manāḥ pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ. Simply by this concentration of an attraction to Kṛṣṇa, you become liberated. This is the process.
Dr. Patel: First you must perfect your thinking of Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes. When you think of Kṛṣṇa, you are on the transcendental position. You are not in the material world. Māṁ ca vyabhicāriṇi bhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate, sa guṇān samatītya etān. He is immediately transcendental to all the qualities of material world.
Dr. Patel: Then he becomes brahma-bhūta.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So if continuously... That is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. If you continuously remain yourself, thinking of Kṛṣṇa, smārtavyaḥ satato viṣṇu vismārtavyo na jatucit. This is the process: You have to think of Kṛṣṇa always. The yogis and others, they artificially, for a certain time, fifteen minutes, twenty minutes or half an hour, they think of Kṛṣṇa by meditation, and they engage again in the material activities. But here...
Dr. Patel: The yogis have got difficulty... [break]
Prabhupāda: ...helpful to bhakti.
Dr. Patel: That is why they are... I am getting sidetracked.
Prabhupāda: They think that these are the processes, mechanical process. Kṛṣṇa-bhakti is not mechanical. It is spontaneous. When you spontaneously think of Kṛṣṇa, that is perfection. [break] Abhyabhicāriṇi. [break] Apratihatā. Yena ātmā prasīdati. [break] ...anxiety for Kṛṣṇa. Therefore it is transcendental.
Dr. Patel: All mana buddhi should be concentrated to the sacred feet of Kṛṣṇa. [break].
Prabhupāda: ...Madana-mohan, nobody can be saved from the hands of Madana. Madana-mohana we have to see.
Dr. Patel: That day we talked about these things... [break]
Prabhupāda: ...perfection. They think of Kṛṣṇa that "He is our child. Now He is going to be vanquished."
Dr. Patel: Because it was very late to come back from... [break]
Prabhupāda: Same sentiment, but in relation with Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel: These sentiments are not absent in American society these days. That is why these boys are neglected by the parents. [break]
Prabhupāda: ...philosophers, Vedāntists. They were small children, woman, village persons and animals. But they were so much, I mean to say, full with the Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the perfection. They're so fortunate. Anxiety is also thinking of Kṛṣṇa, nothing else but Kṛṣṇa: "How Kṛṣṇa was smiling with us, how He was playing." That is natural. If you have got love for anyone.
Dr. Patel: "What will happen to us when He is not there?"
Prabhupāda: Yes. Thinking of Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel: To think, it surrounds...
Prabhupāda: Yes... everything is there, but centered around Kṛṣṇa. Govinda viraheṇa me. Śūnyāyitāṁ jagat sarvam. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's teaching. Śūnyāyitāṁ jagat-sarvaṁ govinda viraheṇa me: "By Govinda's separation, whole world is void." You see? These are exhibited in the person of the...
Dr. Patel: That... [break]
Prabhupāda: "...Kṛṣṇa is gone, I shall die." This is govinda viraheṇa me. "Oh, what is the use of living if Kṛṣṇa is gone?"
(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, Bombay, May 2, 1974)
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