Indian guest: So we have to leave everything in the faith of Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Indian guest: We have to leave everything...

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Indian guest: the feet of Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekam... (BG 18.66). That is the instruction.

Indian guest: Whatever He does, He does all.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Not does. He wants you also to do. He... He does not anything. Everything is done by His... Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate svābhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca (Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8). He hasn't got to do anything. Na tasya kāryaṁ karaṇaṁ ca. He has got many names. Still, He acts to teach us. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. He's so kind, but as soon as He comes to teach us, we take Him as ordinary man.

Indian guest: Is He coming again?

Prabhupāda: Yes. He has already come.

Indian guest: Eh?

Prabhupāda: He has already come—by His name. Kali-kāle kṛṣṇa nāma-rūpe avatāra.

Indian guest: Oh, that's correct.

Prabhupāda: This Hare Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa. He's absolute. His name, His form, His attributes, His paraphernalia—they're all one. So He... This Hare Kṛṣṇa name is not different from Kṛṣṇa. The... Nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaḥ...

    nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaś
    pūrṇaḥ śuddho nitya-mukto
    'bhinnatvān nāma-nāminoḥ
    (CC Madhya 17.133)

Nāma is Kṛṣṇa. So He has already come. He's... Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni (CC Antya 20.12). If you simply take harer nāma harer nāma... (CC Adi 17.21). Kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya mukta-saṅgaḥ paraṁ vrajet (SB 12.3.51). This is the verdict of Bhāgavata. Kaler doṣa-nidhe rājann asti hy eko mahān guṇaḥ. We have got a special concession in this Kali-yuga. We cannot execute all the instruction in the Vedas. We are fallen down. But if we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra—kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya mukta-saṅgaḥ paraṁ vrajet—he becomes liberated from all the faults of this Kali-yuga, and paraṁ vrajet, goes back home, back to Godhead. So Kṛṣṇa is already there. Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam, kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva (CC Adi 17.21). This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's... Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Wherever you are staying, it doesn't matter. Sthāne sthitāḥ śruti-gatāṁ tanu-vāṅ-manobhiḥ (SB 10.14.3). There is very simple formula. You can become liberated simply by chanting. And if you think that you are very learned philosopher, read all these books. Two ways there are. Thing is very simple. Even a boy can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Indian guest: Rāma and Kṛṣṇa are (Hindi).

Prabhupāda: No. Rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan. (BS 5.39) Kṛṣṇa has unlimited number of expansions—Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Varāha... There are... Rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan nānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu, kṛṣṇaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat. Kṛṣṇa is the original person, and Rāma and Kṛṣṇa the same, expansion.

Indian guest: That's what I mean, Rāma and Kṛṣṇa are the same.

Prabhupāda: Same. Kṛṣṇa is Rāma, and Rāma, Kṛṣṇa. So we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Rāma. There is no difference. So...?

Indian guest: We are living in more horrible conditions than what was obtained in the time of Mahābhārata.

Prabhupāda: What?

Indian guest: And Kṛṣṇa has promised definitely that He would appear whenever there is...

Prabhupāda: Yes, He has appeared, nāma-rūpe avatāra.

Indian guest: So I think we are passing through a greater hell than what was...

Prabhupāda: No, no, the disease is there; the remedy is there. If you take the remedy, so there is no question of suffering from the disease. But you refuse to take the remedy. Just like this verse from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Twelfth Canto. This Kali-yuga is the ocean of faults. Why should we lament for that? The remedy is there. Kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya mukta... (SB 12.3.51). You chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, you'll become relieved immediately. So why don't you take the remedy? Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti (BG 7.14). Why you are so much disturbed by māyā? Just surrender to Kṛṣṇa. So it is our choice. We do not do that, and we suffer. Mām aprāpya nivartante mṛtyu-saṁsāra... Kṛṣṇa is giving personally. He has taken you, and we are not accepting. What can be done? The knowledge is there, the process is there, the authority is there, all the ācāryas, they have accepted, but we are so stubborn, we'll not accept. That is the difficulty. We'll manufacture our own ways. Yato mata tato patha. That is the difficulty.

(Srila Prabhupada Evening Darsana, Hrishikesh, May 12, 1977)

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