(Srila Prabhupada, Jayatirtha das, Krsna-kanti das, Bahulasva das white dhoti)
You are asking after twelve thousand years?
Jayatirtha: It's just their tactic.
Prabhupada: It is tactic. They're factually seeing that "These people, they have brought some Jagannatha and thousands of people following it. And nobody's coming to our church?" It is very common sense thing. The church is being closed. And all the young men, they are joining. Not old men, old fool. No. All young, flourishing, young men are joining. So they want to stop it now. (Pause) Take it. [Break]
Madhukanta: ...regard, Srila Prabhupada, you said that we are making counter-propaganda against maya, and that maya will make propaganda very strong.
Madhukanta: So we must become very sincere devotees or...
Prabhupada: Unless we are very sincere, we cannot cope with maya. That is not possible. If you remain a servant of maya, you cannot conquer over maya. You must be very sincere servant of Krishna. Then you can conquer. Mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te. It is clearly said. Otherwise you are subjected to the tricks of maya.
Bahulasva: Unless one surrenders to Krishna.
Prabhupada: Then you can get rid of maya's tricks. Otherwise, you may dress yourself like anything, but you are simply maya's servant. Bhaktivinoda Thakura has sung one... Ei ota kalir chela: "Here is another disciple of Kali." Nake tilaka galai mala. "He has got tilaka on the nose and mala, kanthi, also." Sahaja bhajana kache mamu saìge lana pare bhalo: "And he's, he has become a Vaisnava by illicit sex." This is stated by Bhaktivinoda Thakura. "Here is a Kali's chela. He has dressed like a Vaisnava, but he is doing his bhajan with illicit sex." Sahaje bhajana kache mamu saìge lana pare bhalo. You know? There is a class of sahajiyas?
Bali Mardana: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. Vaisnavas. Just like, dress like Rupa Gosvami, loincloth, and, but three dozen women behind him.
Bali Mardana: Yes, gopis.
Prabhupada: So Bhaktivinoda Thakura: "Here is a disciple of Kali. He has tilaka and he has kunti and he's doing this nonsense." Eita kalir chela. (pause)
Bahulasva: So the purport is that one must strictly follow the principles?
Prabhupada: You do not understand that?
Prabhupada: You are asking after twelve thousand years? I am speaking always that. And still you are questioning?
Bali Mardana: Should I call immediately or wait till after class?
Bali Mardana: Should I call Hammsaduta immediately or wait until after class?
Prabhupada: That is, you use your discrimination. What I can say?
Krsna-kanti: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.
Devotees: Jaya Srila Prabhupada. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! (End)
(Morning Walk at Marine del Rey, July 13, 1974, Los Angeles)
R.G. Tridandi Swami Bhakti Prapanna Parvata Maharaja
(Rama Govinda das from Guadalajara)